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Mel's Former Fundamentalist Story

Mel gives his account of deconversion from Fundamentalist Christianity.

Mel's Former Fundamentalist Story
by Mel Emurian 09/23/2000

Hi Ed,

You had mentioned to me before that you would be interested in reading the story of my exit from evangelicalism. I am including it as part of this email, not knowing whether you would be able to read it as an attachment. Thanks for your interest!

Mel

THE DEPARTURE OF MEL EMURIAN FROM EVANGELICALISM
Sorry that this is a bit impersonal, but it saves me the aggravation of doing separate names on each copy. I will get right to the point. I can no longer accept the biblical Christian faith that I once believed. My life's journey has been a long and rough one at times, but I was in no way prepared for the harsh realities of the Christian ministry. The treatment that my family and I have had to endure in the name of God has been nothing short of brutal. Oh, not brutal in any sort of physical way, and not brutal as with some forms of persecution from those antagonistic to Christianity, but brutal in the damage done to the soul. Were the perpetrators of this cruel treatment those hostile to Christianity, it would not have affected me so deeply. Sadly, the perpetrators have been and are fellow Christians. These Christians include those in the pew, former friends, fellow clergy, and other leaders. No, not everyone has been so harsh, but more than is acceptable to me. This mistreatment resulted in my having serious doubts about the validity of evangelical Christianity and the biblical understanding of God. As such I began to read other viewpoints, and now see evangelical Christianity in a new light. For me to reconsider it would be akin to an African-American reconsidering Jim Crow. I do want to stress that not all evangelicals are cold-hearted, indifferent, and rigid. Some are kind, concerned, and considerate. But there are way too many that are hard-line, and sometimes it seems that all of them are that way.

I entered the ministry in November of 1988 with high hopes of serving God in that capacity and bringing increase to his kingdom. The church I served was the Kingsborough Presbyterian Church in Gloversville, New York. Things were going along well when in July of 1989 I contracted CFIDS (Chronic Fatigue Immune Dysfunction Syndrome). This was not diagnosed until a year and a half later. All I knew at the time was that after having the flu I could only sleep 3 to 4 hours a night. It doesn't take long under those conditions for depression to set in and mental impairment to take place. Some in the congregation understood, but others held me to a standard that I could not live by. Key fellow presbyters thought that my problems were all in my head, and that I just was not cut out for the ministry. The attitude was one of "how dare I, a pastor, need a great deal of encouragement and uplifting." So there I was, essentially alone, in a difficult situation with peers who were tired of hearing my struggles at presbytery meetings.

About a year after I contracted CFIDS, the church went through a split. Among others, we lost our pianist, treasurer, and two Sunday school teachers. The reasons for the split revolved around me not being Calvinistic enough (I was a five-point Calvinist at the time, but I believed in such horrible things as love of the self (love your neighbor as yourself) and practical preaching. I was supposed to believe that to love the self is a sin and that all preaching was to be primarily doctrinal, with an emphasis on the doctrine of Christ), and the way I was dealing with an abused woman (my approach was supposed to be distant and aloof. After all, I was the pastor). Of course no split is without its "love letters". "In love" I was told that I was a heretic, an Arminian, and perhaps unsaved. The letters were very hurtful. Other clergy in the area were quite willing to take those that left, with no questions asked. In one case, a pastor believed the things said about me without any attempt at verification. After this the church rebounded somewhat, but never fully recovered. This was a very painful time for Cheryl and me. Several of the people that left had been good friends, and their loss was difficult for us, especially considering their change of heart toward us.

With all of the stress, even though I was now on medication, my condition slowly deteriorated. People started leaving the church, discouraged with the church and with me. I almost had a nervous breakdown. Finally, in June of 92, I resigned from that particular ministry, hoping to rest and recover.

The next several years were better. My health improved and I worked the interim ministry circuit. My first interim ministry began in the fall of 1993 at Emmanuel Baptist Church in Gloversville. At the time, I was still a member of the presbytery in the Associate Reformed Presbyterian Church, the denomination to which the Kingsborough Church belonged. My taking the interim position at Emmanuel did not please the presbyters, and at a presbytery meeting (which I was unable to attend) it was decided that I was an affront to the Kingsborough Church congregation in doing so. I was told that if I was going to minister at a Baptist Church, I should do so in another town. Prior to taking the Emmanuel ministry, I had discussed it with the elder at Kingsborough, and he had no problem with it. Later I learned that no one from the presbytery had contacted the elder prior to the meeting, to see what his take on me taking the Emmanuel ministry was. That was it for me, and so I resigned the presbytery and joined the Conservative Baptist Association (CBA).

I was at Emmanuel for a little over a year and a half. Overall, the work there went fairly well until near the end of my time there. Two deacons at the church would go to Florida for the winter, and during the last winter I was there, I preached a series on divorce and service in the church. Sadly, my more liberal view on that issue upset one of the women in the church, and she called the deacons in Florida and complained. When they returned, I was not Pastor Popular with them. One was upset that I had stirred things up by preaching on such a touchy issue. The other (and I still can see this clearly) pounded his fist on the table and essentially accused me of being too forceful in pushing my views on the subject. A third deacon sided with them while two younger deacons sided with me. After the meeting, I called the CBA New York State Director and sought his advice on whether I should resign or not. It is my belief that once a majority of the leadership in a church is against you, your ministry in that church is over. We agreed that it would be best if I resigned (I was not forced to, it was a mutual decision), so I did. Fortunately, some good came out of it in that my resignation shocked the deacons who were opposed to me, and they said that they would not accept gossip against a pastor again. I accepted their apology, and we went our separate ways.

My next interim was at Trinity Reformed Church in Rotterdam, New York, where I served from October of 1995 until June of 1996. This church was evangelical, but part of the more liberal Reformed Church in America. I was there just over eight months, and I found it to be the best church that I had ministered in. There wasn't a lot of quarreling, and when there were differences, I found it easier to get people to compromise. I left that interim when a permanent pastor was hired. It was so good to leave on good terms.

Immediately after this I ministered for about a year at New Covenant Community Church in Johnstown, New York. The work there was OK. Nothing really bad happened, but I really did not fit in that well, in my own estimation. After just less than a year, the church hired a permanent pastor and my work there was finished.

That brings me to where I am currently, the Living Hope Baptist Church in Gloversville. Like Emmanuel Baptist, this too was a CBA church. My ministry began in May of 1997. The previous pastor had been gone for about a year, and a young interim served until I started. The church was small, but in a very large building. It was a congregation of 20 in a building that would hold 1200. Obviously something had to be done, so I took my time and eventually convinced the folks to move from the building to another more suitable location. The church had also developed a bad reputation over the years (mainly due to church splits - it was so bad that a local attorney gave me his condolences when he heard that I had become the pastor) and so along with the move I encouraged a name change to give us a fresh start. All of this went well, and we moved to our current location in January of 1998. At that time, our name became the Living Hope Baptist Church (formally we were the First Baptist Church). We did not lose one person through all of these changes, so I knew I had a good group of folks to serve and work with.

As we were preparing for our changes, I approached CBA state director Peter Mason about the possibility of getting some support from the two other CBA churches (Emmanuel Baptist and the Baptist Church of Northville) in the area. We did not want financial help, just several families to help us in areas we were weak in, such as children's Sunday school. Peter Mason encouraged the pastors of the other churches to help us, and that was the end of it. I finally had to approach one person myself (this was either the late winter or early spring of 1998), and not long after she began working with us, that turned sour. I will have more on that later. These two churches had a combined attendance of 300 - 350 people, but they could not help us, a church of 20. Whether you are an evangelical Christian or not, I hope you see that there is something wrong with this picture. In fact, experience has taught me that those reading this who are not evangelical Christians will have more of a problem with this than those who are. I have found the attitude of many evangelical churches to be what I call "ecclesiastical Darwinism". That is, survival of the stronger, larger churches.

Things were going along well when I learned that my secretary, Michelle, was having marriage problems. She and her husband Chuck were members of the church, and she had begun to open up to Chuck with her concerns as to how he was treating her after I had preached a series on the responsibilities of men and women in the home and in the church. He was manipulative and emotionally abusive, and knew how to use a Bible to keep his wife under foot. Well, abuse is one of those things that I do not tolerate, and next to physical abuse, abusing someone in the name of God is anathema to me. Michelle was also a good friend from the Emmanuel days, so I stood with her. The church did also, with no opposition.

This infuriated Chuck, and he accused me of interfering with his ability to work out his marriage problems. (Previously, I had met with him and explained to him what I saw as the problems, and he said he would work on them. But it did not take long for him to fall back into his abusive ways.) He tried to turn the elders on me, but that failed. Then he went to CBA state director Peter Mason. To say it mildly, this is where the dung hit the fan, so to speak, and as a result our church withdrew from the CBA in May of 1998.

This is what happened. Mason received the accusation (without two or more witnesses - a biblical requirement) that I was interfering in the marriage, and Chuck left a message on my answering machine saying that I was to meet with him, Mason, and another CBA official named Andy Alexson. Mason also called me and said that I was to have no further contact with Michelle, and that she should step down as secretary. I refused. I also refused to be at the meeting, because I knew what Chuck was up to. Peter Mason had the meeting anyway, and then called our head elder, Ted Perham, and was rough with him over the situation. He told Ted that we were not a true church but only playing church. He also said that I was a smooth talker in order to discredit my views on the matter. Enclosed is a letter from Ted to another local pastor regarding the way he was treated by Peter Mason. By the way, the pastor did not respond to Ted at all. All of this is bad enough, but it gets even worse. It seems that Chuck overheard this phone conversation, or he was briefed on it at a later time, based on a letter he wrote to Michelle. Enclosed is the letter. Is this what Christianity has become?

Whatever went on during that meeting, Chuck came out of it ready for bear. In his writings to Michelle and to other people, he has called me a "cult leader" and our church a "cult". He also sent letters with misleading information and out and out lies to my in-laws and to Cheryl, both at home and at work. Depending on whom he was talking to, he accused me of adultery. He even went so far as to file a police report accusing me of molesting he and Michelle's then seven-year-old daughter. Obviously, he wanted me out of the picture, and he hoped to do this and gain leverage in his court action to get custody of her with the accusation. Fortunately, the interviewing officer saw through him and no charges were placed. He also failed in getting custody.

When Chuck finally settled into a local Assembly of God church, Ted and I went to meet with the pastor so he would be aware of what his actions had been concerning our church and me. We told him of the molestation and adultery accusations, as well as the name-calling. The pastor seemed as if this was hard for him to believe. We were glad that at least he now had been made aware of the situation. Sadly, nothing was done. Chuck is now a member of the church, and somewhat active in it. Strange isn't it?

Leaving Chuck behind, now I want to bring up Marcy Stearns. She is the one that came from Emmanuel to work with us. Being that neither Emmanuel nor Northville Baptist provided help for us after our needs were made known to them, I approached Marcy to see if she would teach our children's Sunday school for one year. After the year was up, she could choose to stay longer or go back to Emmanuel. She agreed, knowing the situation with Chuck and Michelle, and began to work with us in late April. Then she discovered that Michelle and I worked alone at times. (I thought she already knew this). On a Sunday after church she and her husband Russ, who rarely attends church services, approached our head elder and gave him the "above reproach" argument against it. Then that afternoon Russ called me and gave me the same argument. In essence, I was not to be alone with Michelle, ever. There was no regard for the impact of that on her or her daughter. My image was everything. He did push several of my buttons during the conversation and I said some things to him that I should not have said. The next day I apologized to him. Then Marcy tried to convince me to never be with Michelle alone and when that failed, she quit with no notice and returned to Emmanuel. There she was welcomed back and we were not contacted so we could present our side of the story. All of this occurred in June of 1998, about a month after we withdrew from the CBA.

Marcy had been my friend and she and Cheryl were best friends. Not any more. Marcy hurt Cheryl, Laurel, and me very much. Laurel cried when she learned that Marcy had quit. She didn't do our Sunday school children any favors either.

Oh, it gets even better. That September we found out that Marcy had had contact with Chuck earlier in the summer, enough so that he subpoenaed her to appear in court on his behalf concerning custody. There were also several comments in the spiteful letters he sent to my in-laws and Cheryl that could have only been learned through Marcy. When the court date arrived in September, those from Living Hope that went to support Michelle saw Marcy sitting with Chuck's brother and wife in the waiting area and heard them discussing me in a negative light. All of this, my dear readers, was done using the "the Lord wanted me to do it" argument. As for Emmanuel's pastor and church leaders, their silence shows me that they had no problem with any of this. I should add that in May of this year, Marcy, along with her four children, left her husband and moved in with her parents who live over an hour away.

Please understand, I do not spend time alone with women with reckless abandon. But I have no problem being alone with one whom I trust, especially one that is going through a difficult time and needs all of her friends and her support system in tact. And I will not let what other people might think be the supreme concern in the decisions I make. There are without any doubt much higher values that come into play. Grace, love, and compassion are among these.

It must not go unmentioned that several other evangelical pastors know of my struggles and yet have not reached out to me. Back in June of 1999 I wrote to Pastor Rick Klueg of the Baptist Church of Northville, explaining my situation to him. He was head of the local evangelical pastors' fellowship at the time. In his response he was more concerned that I did not take Peter Mason's counsel and that our church had withdrawn so quickly from CBA than anything else. I responded, clarifying our reasoning further.

I also explained to him the Marcy Stearns situation, and how Emmanuel took her back into full communion and fellowship without contacting us. He had previously sent out a letter to all of the pastors in the fellowship and included a paragraph on the discouragement some of the pastors were facing. He mentioned how we needed to be more encouraging to one another. Here is the pertinent paragraph from the letter I wrote to him: "Further, there is the matter of Marcy Stearns. You wrote in your letter to the pastors about discouragement in our ministries. Cannot you see that what Marcy Stearns did to us would be discouraging to me and the church? Being so, is it right for her to be accepted back into fellowship at Emmanuel without their leaders at least hearing our side? I think not. If we are going to talk about encouraging one another, that kind of thing should not happen. Consider also that Marcy must believe that what she did was all right, being that she was accepted back into full communion and fellowship at Emmanuel. Seems to me that we are teaching others that it is fine to discourage other pastors and other churches."

Sadly, I have heard nothing from Rick Klueg since. I should add that back in the Kingsborough days I suggested to the pastors fellowship that we should each make a covenant that we would not take people in from other churches without contacting the leaders at the other churches first. Only one pastor liked the idea. His church had lost a number of people to other churches without contacts being made. More recently, the new Free Methodist pastor was telling me that he suggested a similar thing at the pastors' fellowship. He got nowhere either. I hope, my dear readers, that you understand how this makes evangelicalism look.

Another pastor that knows of my situation but has remained silent, at least to my face, is Peter Ellis of the Emmanuel Baptist Church. He's the one that told me that my TV show "Life Issues" was bringing great harm to the cause of Christ. He was more of an isolationist and expected that all pastors should be like him. Wrong! But that is the way it is too often in the evangelical camp, you are supposed to think right down to the nth degree on doctrine or else it's "lets lord it over the conscience" time. There is a contemporary evangelical song about freedom that goes something like this: "...freedom, freedom is in Jesus, or it's just another wall." That really is a bunch of bull. Too many evangelicals want to enslave you to their unique way of thinking and acting. Actually, it is the evangelical faith that is just another wall!

Anyway, Peter Ellis's silence, as well as Rick Klueg's, speaks volumes to me. Perhaps they are afraid that I will refute their arguments, especially with me being such a "smooth talker" and all. Or perhaps they see me as a threat, and hope that if they ignore me I will just go away. (Obviously they don't know me very well.) Ultimately, to me it says that they really do not care, especially with what they believe about eternal life and eternal punishment. It's not that they would convince me to see things their way, but at least touching bases with me would show me that they care. Then again, that is not the way the evangelicalism works. I do not want to play along with the program, and so I am expendable. You see, with evangelicalism, if you don't play, you are just a thing to be discarded. You are hardly a recipient of love.

Without going into details about how it came about, Ted and I had a meeting with Peter Mason and Andy Alexson in June of 2000 to discuss a number of concerns that I had with Mason over his handling of the above situation. When I asked him why he received an accusation without two or more witnesses, he interpreted his actions with Chuck in such a way that he believed he had not done so. As for saying that we were not a true church, Mason didn't remember saying it. He did remember the smooth talker comment, and said it was intended to reference my very persuasive abilities. I thanked him for the complement, although he did not intend it as such. Mason also said that he did not suggest that Michelle step down as secretary, but that I was not to be alone with her. Yet Michelle, Ted, and I heard him say that she should step down.

It was obvious to me that Mason and Alexson were primarily concerned about image - God's image, their image, and the image of the CBA. They were concerned about what things "looked" like. In fact, Alexson went so far as to tell me that I was overly loving. Fine. I would rather overly love than be overly rigid, overly strict, overly legalistic, and overly image-conscious...well, you get the point. Mason also pointed out that our withdrawal was cultlike (sound familiar?), in that the church and I had no one to be accountable to. Well, what other options did we have, considering that our side was not being heard?

Ted and I also brought up the letter Chuck had written where he detailed certain parts of the phone conversation Mason had with Ted. Alexson was present with Mason when that conversation took place, and they both said that Chuck was not present at that time. However, as you can see, if he wasn't present he certainly was briefed about the conversation. Yet both Mason and Alexson denied any collusion or aiding and abetting Chuck. I even asked if it were possible that he could have listened in on the phone conversation without their knowing it, and they said that this was not possible. Something is clearly amiss, and I believe that I have legitimate reason to smell a rat.

Near the end of the meeting, Ted asked as a point of clarification whether we would have been disassociated by the CBA if we had not taken Mason's advice, and Mason said that it was possible. But in the phone conversation referenced above, Ted had been led to believe that we would in fact have been disassociated. Mason never apologized to us and in no way tried to understand our point of view. Ted had said to me that he found it odd that after we withdrew from the CBA, there was no attempt to meet with us to hear our side as to why we took such an action, or to see if we had misunderstood Mason's position. It really showed that they were glad to be rid of us.

Let me emphasize, ministry is tough when some in your congregation turn on you in the name of God. But that is small potatoes as compared to your peers doing so.

I sincerely believe that I have genuine concerns with the way that I have been treated in the ministry. It isn't about me being too sensitive and thin-skinned. Something is really wrong with evangelicalism!

All of this has led me to reconsider my former beliefs about the Bible and God. Over the years of ministry I have wondered how evangelical Christians could be so mean and unconcerned in the name of God, especially considering some of the teachings in the New Testament which revolve around love and concern for one's fellow man.

I was reading an article by Dan Barker, a former evangelical pastor who is now an atheist. When a similar thought was posed to him, he answered with something along these lines - "Look at who they worship." My dear readers, he is right. The God of the Old Testament was vengeful enough and cruel enough to justify the meanness and indifference that many of those who worship him today are guilty of. You see, the grace of Christ isn't enough. Step outside the boundaries that others expect you to stay within and you are done, unless of course you repent and step back inside those boundaries. You must think the way they want you to think, and act the way they want you to act. And not just in the core teachings of the faith, but in the interpretations and principles that man has added to those teachings.

Back while I was in Presbyterianism, there was a heavy emphasis on doctrine, and as such you had better be correct with your doctrine. With the Baptists however, although there are certain doctrines like believers' baptism where there is no give and take, there is a greater emphasis on practice. You are freer to think, but not to act. So, for example, while broader than the Presbyterians on things such as God's sovereignty in salvation, they are stricter in things such as alcohol consumption.

Yet what both groups have in common is the placement of the "divine stamp" on what they believe, and there is little hesitation to manipulate you with it in order to get you to get with their program. And if you don't, well, you become expendable. You can expect to be called names, looked down on as inferior, mistreated, shown little respect, slandered, ignored, and ultimately rejected. In other words, your soul, that inward and immaterial part of you that makes you a special human being, gets trampled and spat upon.

And from the evangelical perspective, why not? If God in his vengeance could order such things as the slaughter of the Amalekites, right down to the nursing infants (1 Samuel 15), why not try to crush the soul of a person who doesn't get with their program? So you see, it is not too difficult for the evangelical to legitimize his actions. All he or she has to do is find some place in the Bible where God is pretty rough. Besides, the evangelical is to be holy as God is holy isn't he? Ludwig A. Feuerbach wrote "Wherever morality is based on theology, wherever the right is made dependent on divine authority, the most immoral, unjust, infamous things can be justified and established." He is most certainly correct!

The mistreatment that my loved ones and I have endured has shown me that the God of evangelicalism is not worthy of worship. It offends my sensibilities as a human being to worship a deity that would order the slaughter of infants (contrary to the bumper sticker I have seen, the God of evangelicalism is hardly pro-life), or stand by and watch while his people use him to abuse and mistreat others who are supposed to belong to him, and do absolutely nothing about it. As a parent myself, if an actual child of mine or someone claiming to be a child of mine mistreated my daughter in my name, I would immediately do something about it as any loving father would. Yet the God of evangelicalism, who is supposed to be a loving heavenly father, does nothing, or acts in such an unclear manner that those who need to get the message do not. No, the God that I have been shown since I have been in the ministry is not a God that I want any part of. He is rigid, unmerciful, distant, untrustworthy, unloving, a betrayer, indifferent, unconcerned, a slanderer, and mean-spirited.

I have had it. I am tired of being told how to live, what to think, and how to pastor. I am tired of having people's own principles and interpretations from the Bible held up as the standard to which I must adhere. I am tired of the Bible being used by evangelicals to oppress, manipulate, and control people in the name of God. I am tired of evangelicals laying the pain that they inflict on others at the feet of God saying, "The Lord wanted me to do it". It is time that they start accepting responsibility for the pain they cause! The mistrust, the bitterness, the lack of grace, and the callused indifference to me, my family, my friends, and my church wear me down. As such, I renounce what evangelicalism is and have stepped outside of it forever.

Have I fallen away from the faith then? Evangelicals would have to answer yes. Yet it seems that the only stumbling blocks evangelicals are willing to consider are the ones put down by those who are too libertine. They do not want to see that being too strict, rigid, and callused can also be a stumbling block in the lives of others. Please understand, I suggest my own stumbling from the perspective of the evangelical Christian. I do not believe that I have in fact stumbled. This painful journey has had a positive influence on me, in that my eyes have been opened so that I may indeed see the light.

In my search for what is true I have read a number of books and articles with differing points of view on Christianity, theism, and atheism. When you are an evangelical, doing such a thing is considered taboo, unless you have someone to help you interpret any opposing viewpoints in evangelicalism's favor. For me, after what I have been through, I have seen that the search for truth must not be limited by any religious dogma. If the dogma is legitimate, it can withstand any other viewpoint.

I began by reading Robert Price's "Beyond Born Again: Toward Evangelical Maturity". It is an excellent read for those who realize that evangelicalism isn't it, yet do not want to jettison Christianity altogether. Price does a good job exposing the fallacies of evangelicalism, and does so tastefully.

I have also read "Leaving the Fold: Testimonies of Former Fundamentalists" by Ed Babinski. It contains the stories of over two dozen fundamentalists who left that way of life and found fulfillment in other approaches. Some became moderate to liberal Christians. Others became agnostics, while still others became atheists. Some sought out alternative spiritual beliefs. I related to many of the contributors, and found their arguments compelling. There is an excellent part in the book entitled "Fundamentalism's Grotesque Past". Here Babinski exposes the persecutions and killings done by the evangelicals of yesteryear in the name of God. For example, in Saxony in 1536, the Protestant reformer Melanchton prepared and Martin Luther signed a document demanding the death penalty for the denial of any article of the Apostle's Creed. And both Luther and John Calvin, with the aid of the Bible and supposedly with wisdom from the Holy Spirit, advocated the persecution and/or massacre of witches, unbelievers, blasphemers, Jews, Catholics, Anabaptists, and others, without mercy. If these Christian leaders lived today and had the power, you who are reading this and who don't think like they do would be sentenced to death - in the name of the God of evangelicalism, of course.

Episcopalian Bishop John Shelby Spong is the author of two books I have read. Both "Rescuing the Bible from Fundamentalism" and "Why Christianity Must Change or Die" are interesting works from a man who refuses to ignore the Bible's problems or deny the realities of the experiences of life in one's search for who or what God is.

The book that I am currently reading is Edmund Cohen's work "The Mind of the Bible Believer". It is a fascinating book that gets into the psychology of evangelical belief and exposes the mind-control techniques found in the Bible and used by evangelicals. I am finding this one especially eye-opening, and Cohen is helping me understand just why so many evangelicals are rigid and unloving toward other Christians who think differently than they do.

You may be wondering how I can still pastor a church with this change in beliefs and with where I will end up still in doubt. For me it is simple really. I love the people that I pastor, and while I do not expect their journeys of faith to be identical to mine, I want them to see that God is so much more than just one system of thought. I also want them to see that God does not carry a #1 driver so that he can tee people up and drive their heads 350 yards when they step out of line. I am so tired of seeing people question whether God is punishing them because they are going through difficult times. Some of the deepest despair I have seen in people occurs when they think God is making their lives a living hell because they haven't toed the line.

I want the folks I pastor to see that grace and love are to be central in their walk with God, and not peripheral to it. I want them to be unlike the local evangelical man who convinced a woman that God didn't want her to take her medications, with the tragic result that she committed suicide, or the evangelical who laughed when another evangelical threatened to "snap my neck". I want them to see that while people are not perfect, they are to be treated with dignity and respect. They are not to be used, abused, and considered expendable, for one cannot love God without loving his neighbor.

So where am I going, having experienced all of this? I believe that life teaches us many lessons, and that we ignore them to our own peril. Those lessons, if we listen to them wisely, direct our course and assist us in being better, more complete persons. We are growing up and in so doing we leave behind that which we have found to be false, destructive, and limiting. I believe that I am better equipped to be a positive influence in people's lives and to contribute my gifts and abilities toward making the world a better place.

Now, as for God and who he is, I am in a period of transition. I don't see myself becoming an atheist, because I don't believe that evangelicalism defines God. If that were the only choice, I would be an atheist! But I am searching for truth by broadening my horizons and by reading many different viewpoints. There really is nothing to fear in doing so.

As for evangelicalism, without intending to put anyone down, I believe I have grown beyond it to something more mature and humane. To remain in it would for me risk turning me into that which I abhor. The following paragraph of mine illustrates that plainly. "I was once a compassionate Christian. I never clobbered those who differed with me, but preferred to coexist with them and emphasize what we had in common while agreeing to disagree on the things with which we differed. Now I see that I had the wrong approach in dealing with other Christians who differed with me. The name of the game is to view them as adversaries with whom I must practice a scorched earth policy. After all, God at times did this with his adversaries. I must also see them as things to conform to my way of thinking and acting, and discard them if they refuse. I am much more at peace now that I am doing God's will and protecting his name from all those sinful and misguided Christians. And whom do I have to thank for my newfound attitudes? Evangelical Christians - former friends, fellow clergy, and zealous leaders. Their godly example has helped me see the light." It is so sad, my dear readers, that things are this way.

Things do not need to stay this way though, and while I realize that there is little hope that evangelicalism will change for the better, I am eager to do my part. I do want to reach out to those who have been hurt by evangelicals and give them hope for a better life. And although I am quite sure that I will be accused of being vindictive (those doing so not wanting to face the truth), I want to expose the faults of evangelicalism and help people from the outside to see what they would be getting into if they chose to get involved with it. This would not only help those people, but just maybe would help the evangelicals to clean up their own act. I don't believe the incentive will be there unless they begin to have some serious image problems. I will use my people skills, my writing abilities, and my on-air talents to get the message out. Simply walking away from it will solve nothing and will be of no help to anyone.

For those of you who are evangelicals and want to stay that way, I encourage you to address the kinds of problems that I have shared with you. You have some serious injustices to address, and I can only hope that you will address them. For those who are not, the next time the evangelist comes knocking on your door, ask him about the hurting, the persecution, and killing that has been done in the name of Christ. Ask him how he can worship a God who would order the slaughter of nursing infants. Get him to explain to you the bait and switch, where he will try to bait you with your supposed need for God's love and grace and then when you bite switch you to laws, rules, and principles ad nauseum. To you I say, please watch out for that hook. It really hurts!

Christian apologist Ravi Zacharias is quoted as saying "We search for thrills here and there and when each thrill is consummated our emptiness intensifies. The reason is that we are more than just empty. We are, in fact, broken." While I know Zacharias believes what he says, my experience is very different. I have never felt so empty and broken as I have at the hands of rigid, indifferent evangelicals. The truth is, too many evangelicals contribute to the emptiness and brokenness of people, and as such are a part of the problem, not the solution! My story proves that, beyond the shadow of any doubt.

Blessings to you and yours,

Mel
Gloversville, NY


Dear Rev. Klueg,

Mel has given me the liberty of reading your letter, of June 07, to him and responding to all or any part of it as I choose. The paragraph concerning our abrupt withdrawal from the CBA concerns me and the church body more directly so I have decided to respond to that portion.

It was either our abrupt withdrawal or an abrupt dismissal. We choose to withdraw and save the CBA the embarrassment of terminating our membership. The verdict was in and the sentence already decided before we were even spoken to. Mel, as a pastor, would have to abandoned one of the members at a time when he was most needed. If we had taken the advice of the CBA our church would be non-existent. For myself, I was accused of being weak, not willing to accept a confrontation. It has always been my belief that the Christian society was to help and uplift one another. My experience has been quite the opposite. The greatest damage comes from within the church. The secular world has no concern for the church, but when the church starts judging it's members through the eyes of the world can destruction be far behind.

That seems to have been the situation.in our case. An accusation was made with no witnesses, no justification. A judgement was made that would have destroyed a church and damaged the lives of several individuals because of appearances and the perception of above reproach~ in the eyes of the world.

Thank God, He looks at the heart. I believe that the hearts of those accused is, and has been, in the right place. A full knowledge of the situation, and a close relationship has proven that to be true. At the time the full truth was not sought. The accusation was received from an individual that is still accusing us of practicing witchcraft, being a cult and putting Ideas into the mind of his spouse. We responded to a members request for help and offered advice to both parties with the hope of keeping the marriage intact. Unfortunately this wasn't accepted by the other party. It was all his way or nothing. Perhaps when all this is over the truth will be known. We took the steps we felt necessary to keep our church intact as I am sure you and your board would have done. What God has in store for us only He knows. We do not believe that the destruction of a church and individuals that truly believe in Him is taught in His Word. The Christianity that is taught in His Word certainly wasn't extended to us.

Yours truly,
Ted Perham. Elder


June 18, 1999

Dear Michelle, Here are some answers to you various letters,

Matthew 18:15 ¶ "Moreover, if thy brother shall trespass against thee, go and tell him his fault between thee and him alone. If he shalt hear thee, thou hast gained thy brother. I DID

Matthew 18:16 But if he will not hear thee, then take with thee one or two more, that 'in the mouth of two or three witnesses every word may be established. YOU HEARD - I heard Thats two - Then the Letters are proof- then there PASTORS Mason and Andy. There is David, Tom also asked Mel to get away (nicely) How many more do you need.

Matthew 18:17 And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church, but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as a heathen man and a publican.

I think this was mentioned to the church by the letters and my letter. Mel was force to quit before being booted by the Conservative Baptist. I sat in Pastor Masons office and heard your heathen say on the answering machine I have talked it over with Cheryl and I've decided to resign, I then heard the message (Sunday) that the "church" voted to withdrawal from the CBA. Not only did he remove you from this home, he then takes a church as cover, the coward. If the ~'church" would have heard ALL the testimony, they may at that time, not have been so quick to keep that heathen. Heck, his own denomination considers him "checkered." So I think this Holy Joe attitude is somewhat over doing it.

Pastor Mason called Ted at work and asked if the church now supported adultery. Pastor Mason then asked him if he realized he was messing with the church of Jesus Christ. Do you know what Teds answer was, "well the church will close down if Mel leaves" that is almost funny, Pastor Mason then told him the "church" was already dead. If the spineless "waiters" would have upheld their sacred obligations this would not be happening. But, they are not obligated to me, even in this, they will answer one day to the person who put them there!

And while your at it, ask Ted what I wanted to start the healing process - That Mel get away from you and you be counseled by the older woman.

Why Jesus?

This is an edited version of a tract produced by the Freedom from Religion Foundation, whose original can be found at "Freedom From Religion Foundation".

"As for Jesus' divinity...I have doubts." -- Benjamin Franklin, near the end of his life.

WAS JESUS PEACEABLE AND COMPASSIONATE?
"Think not that I am come to send peace; I came not to send peace but a sword."

"He that hath no sword, let him sell his garment and buy one."

"But those mine enemies, which would not that I should reign over them, bring hither, and slay them before me." (The last was spoken in a parable in Lk.)

"If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth...and men gather them into the fire, and they are burned." (a verse cited by the Inquisition)

Jesus looked at the Pharisees "with anger" Mk. 3:5, called them blind fools and sons of vipers and sons of the devil, and called his generation an evil and adulterous one [just as today's doomsaying Christian televangelists rave on about the evils of OUR generation] and said that certain towns of his day deserved and would receive greater judgment than Sodom. And in one spectacular curse, Jesus says, "Depart from me ye accursed into the hellfire prepared for the devil and his angels."

Jesus attacked merchants by turning over their tables and brandishing a whip.

He showed his respect for life by drowning innocent animals.

He refused to heal a sick child until he was pressured by the mother.

WAS JESUS TOLERANT?
The Gospel of John, unlike the three other Gospels, concentrates on the necessity of "believing in Jesus." The other three Gospels do not have Jesus harping on the necessity of believing in Jesus but instead explain "the kingdom of God" in parables, and even downplay belief in Jesus and play up ethical actions instead. John's Gospel also differs from the rest in NOT HAVING JESUS UTTER A SINGLE PARABLE, but only portrays Jesus teaching about himself: "I am the way, the truth and the light," "I am the light of the world," "I am the good shepherd," "I am that I am," "I am the resurrection and the life," etc. Jesus' emphasis according to "John" was totally on himself, and the only way to inherit eternal life was by believing in Jesus (as supposedly revealed to Nicodemus secretly one night, an event that the other evangelists left out). Hence, statements appear in John's Gospel like, "If you do not eat the body of the son of man and drink his blood, you shall not have life within you," and, "He who does not believe is condemned already" [the latter verse is found in John, chapter 3]

The Gospel of John is also the most anti-Semitic in tone, since it blames "The Jews" as a whole, not just "the Pharisees."

Neither is the author of the Gospel of John mentioned in the book itself. It is the "beloved disciple." And if the apostle John was that disciple then it is curious that his Gospel omits any account of Jesus transfiguration, a spectacular even that the disciple John was supposed to have witnessed along with only two other disciples, according to the other Gospel writers. Furthermore, a later chapter in John states that "we" are the ones who have "witnessed" and written the Gospel of John, implying a group effort. The Gospel also has two ending verses, one in the next to the last chapter, the other in the last chapter. The last chapter is therefore believed to have been added later, to enforce later church opinion, making it seem like the "beloved disciple" was "John" rather than someone else.

DID JESUS PROMOTE "FAMILY VALUES?"
"I am come to set a man against his father, and the daughter against her mother, etc., And a man's foes shall be they of his own household."

"If any man come to me, and hate not his father, and mother, and wife, and children, and brethren, and sisters, yea, and his own life also, he cannot be my disciple."

When one of Jesus' disciples asked for time off to go to his father's funeral, Jesus rebuked him, "Let the dead bury the dead."

Jesus never used the word "family." He never married or fathered children.

He spoke approvingly of those who would "become eunichs for the kingdom of heaven.

To his own mother he said, "Woman, what have I to do with thee?"

WHAT WHERE HIS VIEWS ON EQUALITY AND SOCIAL JUSTICE?
Jesus encouraged the beating of slaves. (Luke 12:47) He never denounced slavery and incorporated the master-slave relationship into many of his parables.

He did nothing to alleviate poverty. "Ye have the poor with you always."

No women were chosen as disciples or invited to the Last Supper.

WHAT MORAL ADVICE DID JESUS GIVE?
"There be eunichs which have made themselves eunichs for the kingdom of heaven."

"If you do something wrong with your eye or hand cut/pluck it off." (This perfectionist ideal, of being able to divorce yourself completely from even looking at a woman with a sexual longing, has lead to a lot of cognitive dissonance and neuroses, not to mention a few cases of actually severed hands!)

Jesus also taught people not to plan for the future in any realistic fashion, don't save money on earth, give to all who ask and ask nothing in return, give your cloak and coat to anyone who asks (leaving you naked).

If someone hits you, invite them to do it again.

If you lose a lawsuit, give more than the judgment.

IS this WISE? Is this what you would teach your children?

WAS JESUS RELIABLE?
Jesus is depicted as mistakenly predicting that "some [of his disciples] standing there would not die" until they "saw the coming of the Son of Man" [with his angels, to reward the good and punish and evil, i.e., the final judgment] Mat 16:28

This false prophecy was echoed by Jesus' disciples throughout the N.T., here are some of those echoes:

The book of Revelation begins with this prophecy, "The revelation... which God gave to show...the things which must shortly take place." (1:1) The author, having addressed his letter to several churches in Asia Minor, circa 65-95 A.D., continued, "He is coming with the clouds, and every eye shall see him, even those who pierced him...Repent therefore; or else I am coming to you (the church at Pergamum) quickly, and I will make war against them with the sword of my mouth...(To the church at Thyatira) hold fast until I come...Because you (the church at Philadelphia) have kept the word of my perseverance, I will keep you from the hour of testing which is about to come upon the whole world...I am coming quickly...hold fast what you (Philadelphia) have."
Rev. 1:7; 2:16; 2:25; 3:10-11

In the final chapter of Revelation the author repeats his first chapter prediction of Jesus' soon coming, "...God...sent His angel to show...the things which must shortly take place...I am coming quickly...do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book, for the time is near...I am coming quickly, and my reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done...Yes, I am coming quickly...Come Lord Jesus."
Rev. 22:6,7,10,12,20

The idea of being either "sealed up" or "not sealed up" is something that the books of Revelation and Daniel both share. According to the author of the book of Daniel, he was commanded to "seal up" his book "until the end of time": "Conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time...these words are concealed and sealed up until the end of time." (Daniel 12:4,9) The book of Daniel was composed from the alleged point of view of a Jew living in ancient Persia who had visions of "the end of time," or, "the end of the age," when all men would "rise again" and be judged. (12:2,13) "Seal up the book," he was commanded, or so the story goes.

But the author of Revelation was told, "Do not seal up the words of the prophecy of this book," adding that what is revealed in it "must shortly take place." The intent of the author of Revelation in alluding to the "non-sealing" of his book is obvious, the author believed and predicted that Jesus was about to "come" and judge the world "quickly." So, the author of Revelation was a false prophet. And, by the same token, so was the author of Daniel, since his book was "unsealed" long before "the end of time."

"The darkness is passing away, and the true light is already shining...The world is passing away [This world, as it is now, will not last much longer - Today's English Version]...Children, it is the last hour; and just as you heard that Antichrist is coming, even now many Antichrists have arisen; from this we know that it is the last hour."
1 John 2:17,18

"The rulers of this age...are passing away [will not last much longer -Today's English Versin]...Do not go on passing judgment before the time ["before the time" of final judgment], but wait until the Lord comes who will both bring to light the things hidden in the darkness and disclose the motives of men's hearts...The time has been shortened so that from now on those who have wives should be as though they had none...and those who use the world, as though they did not make use of it [i.e., there was no time for marriage or buying or selling - only in a state of holy celibacy could the Elect remain pure while awaiting the soon return of Christ]; for the form of this world is passing away [This world, as it is now, will not last much longer - Today's English Version]...These things were written for our instruction, upon whom the ends of the ages have come."
1 Corinthians. 2:6; 4:5; 7:29-31; 10:11

"Come now, you rich, weep and howl for your miseries which are coming upon you...It is in the last days that you have stored up your treasure [which is to say in James' own day]...Be patient, therefore, brethren, until the coming of the Lord...for the coming of the Lord is at hand...behold, the Judge is standing right at the door."
James 5:1,3,7-9

The author of the letter to the Hebrews began his letter, "...in these last days," and argued on such a basis that, "He (Jesus) would have needed to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now once at the consummation He has been manifested to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself." With equal fervor he employed the phrase, "as you see the day drawing near...," and made the prediction, "...for yet a very little while, He who is coming will come, and will not delay."
Heb. 1:2; 9:26; 10:25,37

This ridiculous idea survived century after century. If the world did not end under the first Christian Emperor, Constantine, it had to end under Theodosius; if the end had not come under Theodosius, it had to occur under Attila the Hun. And up to the twelfth century this idea enriched the monasteries. A great many of the charters and donations to the monasteries began thus: "Christ reigning, the end of the world approaching, I, for the remedy of my soul, etc."
Voltaire, "An Important Study by Lord Bolingbroke, or, the Fall of Fanaticism"

Now back to the reliability of Jesus' claims...

Jesus claimed the "stars would fall."

The author of the Gospel of Matthew (in the scene in which Jesus is taken to a very high mountain by Satan and there shown all the kingdoms of the world), claimed that you could "see _all_ the kingdoms of the world" from a "_very_ high mountain" (implying a "flat" shape for the earth).

Jesus also mistakenly claimed that the mustard seed was the "smalled seed on the face of the ground" (Matt. 13:32), and that salt could "lost its savour."

WAS JESUS A GOOD EXAMPLE?
Jesus said that whoever calls somebody a fool shall be in danger of hell fire, then he called the Pharisees much worse names, like sons of vipers, sons of the devil, etc.

Jesus irrationaly cursed a fig tree for being fruitless OUT OF SEASON.

He broke the law by stealing corn on the Sabbath, and he encouraged his disciples to take a horse without asking permission. (Matthew says it was not just one horse that Jesus said to take, but two, and adds that Jesus "rode THEM" into Jerusalem.)

The "humble" Jesus said that he was "greater than the temple" "greater than Jonah" and "greater than Solomon" (see Matt.). He appeared to suffer from a dictator's "paranoia" when he said, "He that is not with me is against me." Mat. 12:30 (Though in another place Jesus reversed that and said, "He who is not against me is with me.")

WHY JESUS?
Although other verses can be cited to portray Jesus in a different light, they do not erase the disturbing, judgmental, unruly side of his character. And if the church "added" this side, then there is certainly no way to credibly determine exactly what might not ALSO be merely an addition or gloss upon the Jesus legend. Maybe many of the beautiful, less disturbing passages are also additions, such as the "woman taken in adultery" section of John's Gospel, which we now know was a later addition, and not in the earliest Johnnine texts. (In fact, the earliest appearance of the parable of the "woman taken in adultery" is in a Lukan text dated after 1000 A.D., and the text became so popular it soon got copied again by some scribes who felt it belonged more properly in the fourth Gospel rather than the third.)

On the whole, Jesus said little that was worthwhile. He introduced nothing new to ethics, not even the notion of "eternal punishment" which several intertestamental works had introduced right before Jesus appeared on the scene, works like the Book of Daniel and the Books of Enoch. He instituted no social programs, no useful science or medicine, but appeared ignorant, a child of his times. Many scholars doubt that any clear picture of the "historical Jesus" will ever emerge. [See for instance the two excellent works by Dr. Robert M. Price, BEYOND BORN AGAIN (an introduction to "Jesus questions"), and, DECONSTRUCTING JESUS (his new scholarly thesis that sums up the many strands of work on the historical Jesus today).]

WHY IS JESUS SO "SPECIAL?"
It would be more reasonable and productive to emulate real, flesh-and-blood human beings who have contributed to humanity -- mothers who have given birth, scientists who have alleviated suffering, social reformers who have fought injustice -- than to worship a character of such dubious qualities as Jesus.

In fact, if it wasn't for a host of scientists who happened to be either lapsed churchgoers, heretics, apostates, infidels, agnostics, or atheists, and their successes in the fields of agricultural and medical science, hundreds of millions would have starved to death or suffered innumerable diseases this past century. Those agricultural and medical scientists "multiplied more loaves of bread" and "prevented/healed more diseases" in the past fifty years than Christianity has in the past two thousand.

Also, Florence Nightengale, the woman who made nursing a legitimate profession, was a lesbian who disdained institutionalized religion. The founder of the International Red Cross, Andre Dunant, was gay. The founder of the American Red Cross, Clara Barton, was a freethinker. And Helen Keller, the blind and deaf woman who proved an inspiration to sufferers of severe disabilities, was a humanist.

Christopher Reeve (1952-2004)

Christopher Reeve (1952-2004)
by Warren Allen Smith
www.humaniststudies.org

A real super man, Christopher Reeve lived a life of courage since the 1995 riding accident that left the actor paralyzed from the neck down. The 6' 4" hunk with next to no detractors has been universally hailed as an inspiration to all.

When 9, he was cast in a Gilbert and Sullivan operetta, was in Actors Equity when 15, and after graduating from high school toured the country as Celeste Holm's leading man in The Irregular Verb to Love. Holm, who has recently recovered from hip surgery, was devastated by the news of Reeve's death.

Reeve was in 150 or so plays, once saying the theater is "like a family to me," a reference to family problems before marrying Dana Morosini, mother of Will, his 11-year-old son. Ms. Gae Exton, with whom he lived but never married, is mother of his older children Matthew and Alexandra.

A liberal Democrat, he once demonstrated in Chile on behalf of 77 actors the Pinochet regime was threatening to execute. He was a liberal supporter of causes such as Save the Children, Amnesty International, People for the American Way, and his own paralysis foundation's fight for expanded stem-cell research.

Not so well known is that Reeve played piano, loved tennis, liked sailing at a vacation home in Williamstown, Mass., and that twice he flew solo across the Atlantic.

On TV in September, Oprah Winfrey asked if he thought he would ever walk again, he said he thought he would. And what if you won't be able, she asked. "Then I won't walk again," the humanist and pragmatist responded. In 1998 on a Larry King telecast, he had been asked the same, and he said he would. When King asked him if with paralysis he had any sexual feelings, Reeve jovially hinted yes.

When asked outright about God, Reeve was discreet, saying in the King telecast that "while I don't believe in God per se, I believe in spirituality. And I believe that spirituality actually is automatically within ourselves, but we have to learn how to access it, and what that is, is realizing there is a higher power; there is ... more than just us, there is an inner strength, there is something, y'know, that comes from -- I don't know where exactly it comes from, but it's -- it really is the best that humans can be and perhaps what it is -- perhaps really what it is is love."

Reeve's brother, Benjamin, a non-practicing Massachusetts lawyer, told a reporter in 1997 that Christopher didn't get his courage from God. "We're devout atheists, so that wasn't it," he added.

On Oct. 12, two days after he died of cardiac arrest, the Reeve Family commemorated his death in a small ceremony at his Pound Ridge, N.Y., home. It was officiated by a Unitarian Universalist minister. One hundred family members and close friends attended the service. The family has requested that, in lieu of flowers, donations be made to the Christopher Reeve Paralysis Foundation.

Warren Allen Smith is the author of Celebrities in Hell and WHO'S WHO IN HELL.
More of his articles: Humanist Studies
His website is located here.

Don't feel like you quite belong?

Don't feel like you belong?
by Edward T. Babinski

Have you heard of a classic sci-fi novel called Stranger in a Strange Land by Heinlein? It's about a boy raised by Martians who then travels to earth, and truly feels like a stranger in a strange land, like he doesn't belong. It's a great story, and also involves man's search for religious truth as a major theme. It was very popular during the 60's along with Tolkein's Lord of the Rings trilogy.

Also, Woody Allan's comedic prose works are also classics, in the humor section of any major bookstore, GETTING EVEN, WITHOUT FEATHERS, and, SIDE EFFECTS. They are all written I suppose from the point of view of someone who doesn't belong, which is to say from the viewpoint of a Jew in modern day society, in this case a neurotic obsessive one, obsessed with such basic matters as religion, sex, and death. The stories he invents in "Hassidic Tales" as told by "famous rabbis" of the past are fall-off-your-chair funny.

Also, there was a letter sent to the website www.billhicks.com years ago. I can't find it at the moment. But it was the tale of a kid who felt he didn't fit in. He wanted to do something dreadful to himself, because he felt like nobody truly understood him. Then he discovered the comedy of Bill Hicks, and felt for the first time like somebody else really understood him. It was a great letter. Moments like those are great.

I thought I was going to pieces when I was a fundamentalist and when I began to realize how much other people believed in their religions. They were sure as I was, and just as compassionate and kind.

Which reminds me of an e-mail I rec'd just the other day which said, "I think the Chr. Reconstuctionists make a good case that other religions, such as Hinduism produce terrible consequences for humanity."

And I replied:
I have no particular love for any particular religion. But certainly Christians of all people, have no right to criticize the consequences and history of another religion. For all of Hinduism's faults, it never produced slavery. The caste system, yes, but slavery, no. Heck, even Medieval Christianity had a _caste_ system of _inherited_ nobility, kings, lords, all the way down to peasants. And during the Medieval ages when king Asoka ruled India he made it a rule that all religions should be respected. There was peace during his reign and freedom of religion, while in Europe and the Middle East there was the Thirty Years' War. Asoka even entertained Jesuits in his court, and allowed them to speak their views..

I also have read about the marvelous attempts by some Hindus to spread the news about birth control, which the Catholics in their country are attempting to thwart. One female who works with poor Indians and who teaches them birth control says that the families that have only a few children are much better off, since they can concentrate on those few children and they grow up well and whole, while the old way of having as many children as possible, and wearing down the health of the wife and stretching the budget for the children until some inevitably die, is a much worse way to go. She has proven this is true via the lives of the women she has worked with. Yet Mother Teresa tells India and the world they must go the other way.

Interesting is the fact that the 1996 winner of the Templeton Prize for Progress in Religion was Bill Bright, founder of Campus Crusade for Christ (which also subsidizes Josh McDowell Ministries!). But the very next year the winner was a Hindu, Shastri Athavale, whose spiritual and social activism was inspired by the The Bhagavad Gita. Athavale has inspired hundreds of thousands of people to spend two weeks or more visiting India's poorest villages where they seek to advance the self-respect and economic condition of those they visit. For more than four decades Athavale has taught that service to God is incomplete without service to humanity.

Perhaps you've heard of Sundar Singh, the Sikh convert to Christianity? He was quite famous in his day. But he made plain his view that, "There are many more people among us in India who lead a spiritual life than in the West, although they do not know or confess Christ...It is of course true that people who live in India worship idols; but here in England people worship themselves, and that is still worse. Idol-worshippers seek the truth, but people over here, so far as I can see, seek pleasure and comfort...The people of the West understand how to use electricity and how to fly in the air. The men of the East have sought the truth. Of the three Wise Men who went to Palestine to see Jesus not one was from the West.'". Heiler, p. 217.

Neither was Sundar afraid to raise his voice in favor of "universalism." He could never deny to all non-Christians the possibility of entering heaven (as fundamentalist and hard-line evangelicals, like McDowell, do). In 1925 Sundar wrote, "If the Divine spark in the soul cannot be destroyed, then we need despair of no sinner... Since God created men to have fellowship with Himself, they cannot for ever be separated from Him...After long wandering, and by devious paths, sinful man will at last return to Him in whose Image he was created; for this is his final destiny.". Sundar Singh, Meditations on Various Aspects of the Spiritual Life (London, Macmillan, 1925).

In February, 1929, the year Sundar disappeared on his final missionary trip to Tibet, he was interviewed by several theology students in Calcutta, India, where he answered their questions: "(Question #1) What did the Sadhu think should be our attitude towards non-Christian religions? - The old habit of calling them 'heathen' should go. The worst 'heathen' were among us [Christians].

By the way, C.S. Lewis' close lifelong friend, Bede Griffiths, became a Catholic monk and ran a Chrisitan-Hindu ashram in India for decades, devoting his life to inter-religious dialogue, and grew to love Hindus and Hinduism so much he wrote books praising Hindusim's most sublime aspects, even defending it against papal ignorance and misunderstandings. Griffiths also got Lewis to admit in a letter that when Christianity does not make a man very much better, it may make him very much worse, a "devil," as Lewis himself admitted to Griffiths in one of the last letters Lewis penned.

HINDUISM AND EASTERN RELIGIONS
In the little self-contained Christian "world" view of evangelists there is no room for Hinduism. Yet for millions of devout Hindus there remains room for Christianity and Christ's divinity. Hinduism in that sense encompasses a wider range of faith than Christianity.

There are even what one might call "fundamentalist" Hindus, like the one who asked Joseph Campbell, "What do scholars think of the Vedas [the most ancient Hindu holy books]?" Campbell answered, "The dating of the Vedas has been reduced to 1500 to 1000 B.C., and there have been found in India itself the remains of an earlier civilization than the Vedic." "Yes," said the Indian gentleman, "I know; but as an orthodox Hindu I cannot believe that there is anything in the universe earlier than the Vedas.". Joseph Campbell, Myths to Live By (New York: Bantam Books, 1973), p. 54.

It's obvious that the study of the world's holy books by historical, archeological and literary scholars continues to provoke tension and discomfort in "Vedic believing" Hindus, "Koran believing" Moslems, and "Bible believing" Christians (like McDowell).. Philip H. Ashby's The Conflict of Religions (published around 1960), describes the conflict in the major world religions between modern scientific knowledge and old religious traditions. Christianity is not the only religion being "attacked" by "devilish liberals." Traditionalists in all the world's religions feel threatened by the insights that scholars bring to light whenever such scholars are free from having to parrot inherited dogma. So there is nothing "unique" about "Bible believing" Christians in that respect.

Furthermore, there are millions of devout Hindus more moved by the story of Krishna in the Hindu holy book, The Bhagavad Gita, than by the story of Jesus. As one Indian Catholic priest candidly told a British journalist, "Although my family had been Christians for generations and I had been through the full rigors of a Jesuit training, I still, in my heart of hearts, feel closer to the God Krishna than to Jesus.". Mark Tully, "Lives of Jesus" in The Illustrated London News, Christmas Issue, 1996, p. 33. (In Indian courts of law, people swear with their hand on The Bhagavad Gita not the Bible, and there are even popular Indian books with titles like, The Bhagavada Gita for Executives by V. Ramanathan.)

There are also millions of devout Buddhists more moved by stories of the Buddha and his disciples. See Nyanaponika Thera and Hellmuth Hecker, The Great Disciples of the Buddha: Their Lives, Their Works, Their Legacy (1997). than by stories of Jesus and his. Anagarika Dharmapala, a nineteenth century Buddhist, commented, "The Nazarene carpenter had no sublime teachings to offer, and understandably so, because his parables not only reveal a limited mind, but they also impart immoral lessons and impractical ethics...The few illiterate fishermen of Galilee followed him as he promised to make them judges to rule over Israel [appealing to relatively 'base' desires according to Buddhist teachings - ED.]." To such Buddhists, "Jesus is a spiritual dwarf before Buddha, the spiritual giant." A J. Mattill, Jr., The Seven Mighty Blows to Traditional Beliefs, 2nd Ed., Revised and Enlarged (The Flatwood Free Press: Alabama, 1995), p. 237.

Oddly enough, one version of the Buddha's life that reached Europe from India underwent subtle changes along the way, until the Buddha became a Christian saint! According to that version the "prince" who "lived in India" was named "Josaphat," and he was a "Great Renouncer." Research into the origins of "Saint Josaphat," revealed that the Latin name, "Josaphat," was based on an earlier version of the story in which the Greek name "Ioasaph" was used, which came from the Arabic "Yudasaf," which came from the Manichee "Bodisaf," which came from "Bodhisattva" in the original story of the Buddha. (A "Bodhisattva" is a person who achieves great spiritual enlightenment yet remains on earth to help others.) Thus the Buddha came to be included in Butler's Lives of the Saints.. See Leonard Swidler, "The Buddha Revered As A Christian Saint," The Catholic World, May/June 1989, p. 121; and Wilfred Cantwell Smith, Towards a World Theology (Philadelphia: Westminster Press, 1988), pp. 7-11.

Also, some of the earliest Jesuit missionaries to China, who read the Far Eastern book of wisdom, the Tao Te Ching, returned to Rome and requested that that book be added to the Bible, because it contained teachings on non-violence, love and humility that paralleled and preceded Jesus' teachings by hundreds of years. (Many of those parallels are commented on in The Tao of Jesus: An Exercise in Inter-Traditional Understanding by Joseph A. Loya, O.S.A, Wan-Li Ho, and Chang-Shin Jih.)

Eastern religions also feature stories of miracles and visions, along with stories of saintly Hindus and Buddhists who died beautifully and serenely. In some cases a sweet flowery odor is said to have come from their corpses. In another case a corpse allegedly turned into flowers at death. All in all, the stories rival those of Catholic saints and their miracles. In fact, "sainthood" is a phenomenon common to all the world's religions.. Richard Kieckhefer and George D. Bond, eds., Sainthood: Its Manifestations in World Religions (Berkeley, Los Angeles: University of California Press, 1988). Needless to say, reading about Hinduism and Buddhism in books written by Josh McDowell is no substitute for reading books written by Hindus and Buddhists. A tour of any large bookstore can provide plenty of interesting titles by both Hindu and Buddhist authors.. Here is a list of books on Hinduism (none of which were written by hard-line Christian apologists): The Hindu Phenomenon by Girilal Jain; Hindus and Others by Gyanendra Pandey; Hinduism for the Next Generation by V. Krishnamurthy; Recovery of Faith by Radhakrishnan; An Autobiography by M. K. Gandhi; Autobiography of a Yogi by Paramahansa Yogananda; The Mind of Swami Vivekananda by Gautam Sen; The Mind of Adi Shankaracharya by Y. Keshava Menon; Ramakrishna and His Disciples by Christopher Isherwood; Living Biographies of Great Religious Leaders by H. Thomas & Dana Lee Thomas; Truth is Two-Eyed by John A. T. Robinson (Christianity as seen through Eastern eyes and Hinduism as seen through Western eyes). Not to forget the magazine, Hinduism Today.


Right now secular and governmental charities feed more people worldwide than religious ones do. One thanksgiving there was an aritcle in USA Today that listed the three major organizations in America that feed the hungry and not one of them was related to any particular Christian denomination or even to Christianity as a whole. Check out the United Way sometime and the listing of all the charities in your area. See how many of them are "church-related." Church-related charities do a good job of parading around their righteousness in the public square like the Pharisees.

If it wasn't for a host of scientists who happened to be either lapsed churchgoers, heretics, apostates, infidels, agnostics, or atheists, and their successes in the fields of agricultural and medical science, hundreds of millions would have starved to death or suffered innumerable diseases this past century. Those agricultural and medical scientists "multiplied more loaves of bread" and "prevented/healed more diseases" in the past fifty years than Christianity has in the past two thousand.

Also, Florence Nightengale, the woman who made nursing a legitimate profession, was a lesbian who disdained institutionalized religion. The founder of the International Red Cross, Andre Dunant, was gay. The founder of the American Red Cross, Clara Barton, was a freethinker. And Helen Keller, the blind and deaf woman who proved an inspiration to sufferers of severe disabilities, was a humanist.

Fundamentalists - Helpful Links

RESOURCES FOR RECOVERY FROM RELIGION
Helpful Links for those Leaving Fundamentalism
by Edward T. Babinski and Kenneth Nahigian
Some of the websites listed feature the testimonies of former fundamentalists which some might find interesting, or which they might like to visit in order to add their own stories. Some might like to connect their own websites to a particular "ring" listed.

FORUMS:

Van Allens: Encouraging Ex-Christians

Walk Away From Fundamentalism

WEBSITES:

The Door Magazine - Religious satire for moderate evangelical Christians, though liberals and atheists can enjoy it too!

Landover Baptist Church - "Conservative. Godly. Republican. Unstoppable" - an amusing satire revolving around Mega-church mentalities.

Things They Don't Tell You About Christianity - The dark side of Christian history.

Critical Evaluations of the "Bible Code"

Biblical Errancy - A newsletter whose editor, Dennis McKinsey, takes believers in Biblical inerrancy to task, even engaging them in debates. Also publishes some letters from former fundamentalist Christians.

Detox - A website for people who suffer from toxic faith syndrome.

The Christian Heritage - More of the dark side of Christianity.

The Ex-Tian Home Page - Website that features books, testimonies and webrings by ex-Christians.

Recovery from Christianity? A list of websites devoted to that topic.

The Skeptical Review - Edited by Farrell Till, a former fundamentalist minister, its articles deal with the Bible, including debates with fundamentalist defenders of the Bible, and letters from fundamentalists and former fundamentalists in a section titled, "From the Mailbag," beginning with Vol. 4, No.4, 1993.

The Secular Web - Gargantuan collection of secular humanist books, articles, essays, news, reviews, even humor. The premier website for freethinkers, with frequent additions and updates.

The Jury Is In: The Ruling on Josh McDowell's Evidence That Demands a Verdict

Religious Satirist, James Morrow's website, which features information on "The Godhead Trilogy"

The "Official" Robert Anton Wilson Website

MOVIES

Dogma - A comedy about God and the end of the world by Kevin Smith.

Glorious! - British comedian, Eddie Izzard, addresses the Old and New Testaments.

Rowan Atkinson Live! - British comedian, Rowan Atkinson, plays both a priest reading from an unusual Gospel, and Satan welcoming people to hell.

The Life of Brian - The comedy troupe, Monty Python, depict the life of the extremely unlucky fellow who was born on the same night and next door to?Jesus.

Bedazzled - A 1960s comedy about a man (Dudley Moore) who sells his soul to the devil (Peter Cook), featuring a cameo appearance by Racquel Welch who plays "Lust." (In the year 2000 a whole new version of this film was made.)

CDs:

Only the Truth is Funny - Comedian Rick Reynolds (atheist). Contains some very funny bits about Rick's reaction to his very conservative Christian brother.

Rant in E-Minor - Comedian Bill Hicks (former conservative Baptist).
Warning: Caustic wit, and that's putting it mildly.

You Are All Diseased - Comedian George Carlin (atheist) loves to rant about "humanity" and "God," and this is his most biting work to date. His earlier works, Toledo Window Box, and George Carlin: Class Fool, have a lighter, more poignant air about them, especially when he talks about "God" in the former, and his Irish Catholic upbringing in the latter.

BOOKS:

Good Omens - An extraordinarily funny novel about the Antichrist and the end of the world by Neil Gaiman and Terry Pratchett.

Bible Stories for Adults - A collection of funny and intriguing short stories by James Morrow, including the Nebula award-winning short story, "The Deluge."

The Bible According to Mark Twain - Edited by Howard Baetzhold and Joseph McCullough.

Pope-Pourri - Funny and interesting facts about Catholicism, edited by John Dollison.

Leaving the Fold: Testimonies of Former Fundamentalists - Edited by Edward T. Babinski, a former born again, Bible believing, tongue-speaking Christian, who is now a "reverent agnostic" or "irreverent theist" (take your pick). The book features nearly three dozen first-hand personal testimonies of people who "left" their fundamentalist folds for more moderate to radical religious or non-religious, destinations. It also contains a chapter on "Fundamentalism's Grotesque Past" with information that is not readily available elsewhere, including a look at some of the inhumane actions and teachings of Protestant icons like Luther, Calvin, and Jonathan Edwards and the Biblical teachings that drove them to say and do such things.

Leaving the Fold - Marlene Winell, a former fundamentalist Christian, now a psychologist, tells her personal story of transformation, and discusses some of the basic mind traps that, once recognized, help release people from narrow "fundamentalist fold" mentalities.

Losing Faith in Faith: From Preacher to Atheist ? Dan Barker (former evangelical Christian song-writer and producer), tells how and why he became one of the leaders of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, and writer for the nation's only weekly Freethought newspaper, Freethought Today.

Beyond Born Again - Robert M. Price (who went from fundamentalist Christian to atheist and who now holds two Ph.D.s and is a member of the "Jesus Seminar") examines the arguments employed by conservative evangelical apologists. (This book is available on the Secular Web. See following section on "Websites.")

Prometheus Rising and Quantum Psychology - Robert Anton Wilson explains how individuals and societies create their own "reality tunnels," why we misunderstand each other, and how we can widen our understandings and perceptions.

RELIGIOUS OR SEMI-SO SITES:

The Baptist Joint Committee on Public Affairs, reverent religious church/state separationists.

The Interfaith Alliance.

The Unitarian Universalist Association.

The World Union of Deists. "Deism, America's Forgotten Religion."

Also called ChurchState.org, this is a Seventh Day Adventist site supporting a decent separation of Church and State.

The Event Horizon Reader. Thoughtful writings on spiritual dangers of fundamentalism and the Religious Right.

The J. M. Dawson Institute of Church-State Studies at Baylor University.

Ontario Consultants on Religious Tolerance, promoting tolerance, diversity, fairness.

Jews for Judaism, saying no thanks to Jews for Jesus.

A Buddhist Critique of Christianity.

The Isaac Bonewits neopagan homepage. Quirky, but he does get in his digs.

POLITICAL SITES FIGHTING THE RELIGIOUS RIGHT:

Americans United (for Separation of Church and State).

Americans for Religious Liberty.

American Civil Liberties Union.

Archive of articles from the old Institute for First Amendment Studies.

People For the American Way.

America’s Real Religion. Author Gene Garman defends the First Amendment and Church/State seperation.

CONTRA-RELIGIOUS AND “WALK AWAY” SITES:

American Humanist Association.

Freedom from Religion Foundation.

The Council for Secular Humanism.

The Campus Freethought Alliance.

The Truth Seeker, oldest freethought magazine in the West. A good rag.

The Atheist Alliance.

The Atheist Network

Positive Atheism.

American Association for the Advancement of Atheism.

Originally the Quest for the Historical Jesus, now reborn as Atheist Talk Central.

A support site for Christians just starting to doubt.

Watchers of the Watch Tower A breakaway site for ex-Jehovah’s Witnesses.

Our real Christian heritage.
The dark side of Xian history, the things "They" don't want you to know.

The real scuttlebutt on the Bible. Not a pretty sight.

A vast page of resources and links, but the ones in the "Heresies" section are what you want to see.

The (religious) Skeptic's Corner.

Judith Hayes, the Happy Heretic.

The Right Rev. Jim Huber, also Heretic.

The Infidel Guy. Try his audio show!

All about atheism and agnosticism. Questions answers, issued mulled.

Alan Dechert's Go-to-Zero page. He wants to renumber the years.

Adrian Barnett's Wasteland of Wonders – his atheism sub-page.

The freethought supply house for all your argumentative needs.

Christian origins. This writer argues that the resurrection of Jesus was a deliberate hoax.

Reason Works, a commercial site with some incisive writings.

The War on Faith homepage, guns locked and loaded.

Things we didn't learn in Sunday School.

One archeologist and historian dissects the Christ myth.

Celebrity Atheists and Agnostics, a list.

Famous non-theists of history, a bigger list.

The Jesus Seminar, lightning rod for debates about the historical Jesus.

Secular cards, t-shirts and posters.

PARODY, SATIRE AND SARCASM:

Jeff Swenson's cynical comic strip.

The Leviathan, putting the "fun" back in Fundamentalism.

The Landover Baptist Church

Ask Sister Rosetta.

Queen Jane's Version of the Bible.

SPEWED FROM THE BELLY OF THE BEAST:

The infamous "Rev" Fred Phelps, gay basher.

Kingdom Identity movement. Weird and scary.

Jack T. Chick, the man behind all those tracts.

The earth is the center of the universe. Listen to us, dammit!

The real International Flat Earth Society does not have a website, unfortunately, but this parody site is almost as cool.

The classic Virtual Hell site
(http://www.virtualhell.org/) is offline, alas. But this one remains to remind us that Hell is real. Be sure to wear shoes!

MORE ARTICLES

Don't feel like you belong?

Essay on some historical figures who were not Christians, but made great contributions to society, such as Helen Keller, who was a Humanist.

Changes we undergo "without knowing why"

Essay which takes a critical look at changes that occur in people's lives, influenced by religion and fellowship. Is transformation caused by God or man.

Christopher Reeve (1952-2004)

Article by Warren A. Smith on the life and spirituality of Christopher Reeve. Reeve's life demonstrated that one does not need to hold Christian beliefs to serve as an upstanding example to society on morality.

Religion as Gang-Warfare - Coming to a Theater Near You
Dale Murphy wrote this article, addressing how he sees religion as a dangerous force, that leads to conflicts between ethnic groups. He expresses his disdain about the international and domestic problems created by Religion.

Richard Yao: Founder of the Original "Fundamentalists Anonymous" Resurfaces (briefly)
On 'Diana Speaks' the book which was written by one claiming Diana spoke to them. The author might possibly be Richard Yao, founder of the Original Fundamentalists Anonymous.

Starting a Support Group in Your Area
How do I go about organizing a Fundamentalists-Anon support group in my area? Tips and suggestions.

My Advice about debating with Christians

Advice from Ed Babinski on debating with others of an opposing belief system.

The Great Awakening, Revivals and Calvinism
Discussion on the Great Awakening, Revivals and the lack of longterm effects they have on people.

Why Jesus?

Essay which questions about Jesus, in terms of morality, social justice, equality and compassion.

Christian Psychologist admits manic-depression amongst Pentecostals
Commentary on Manic Depression and what statistics show, with a higher than normal percentage rate among Pentecostals, than other groups.

Fundamentalism and Christianity

Personal discussion on the topic of Christian History, and Persecution of Christianity and other religions.

Original Thoughts on Original Sin

Essay on the Original Sin, guilt and sin, includes compiled quotes by Deitrich Bonhoeffer, Conrad Hyers and Edward Babinski.

Evangelism and Christian Indifference
by John Davies (additional notes by Ed)
Religious leaders should set the example for the nation, on moral issues. Read an article which lists major scandals and fraud committed by well-known televangelists and evangelical preachers.

Definition of Fundamentalism

Collection of quotes and excerpts which define Fundamentalism, from a satirical point of view.

The Psalms, God and Mother Nature

Ed Babinski gives a satirical review of the Old Testament Psalms, based on science. Read how the Psalmists overlooked certain aspects in Nature.

Agnosticism: Reasons to Leave Christianity
Questions from an Agnostic for the Biblical Apologist to answer. These unanswered questions are reasons to leave Christianity and become an agnostic.

FORMER FUNDAMENTALIST TESTIMONIES

Testimony about the Worldwide Church of God

by former Member/Co-Worker David Lee Mooney.

Former Pentecostal Testimony

by Anonymous: FormerX.

Guillaume's Testimony, "Recovering from Christianity"
by Guillaume
Testimony of deconversion from Fundamentalist Christianity.

Still Silent, My Journey through Christianity

by Kevin
Testimony of deconversion from Catholicism.

Mel's FORMER FUNDAMENTALIST Story
by Mel Emurian

Mel gives his account of deconversion.

RECOMMENDED BOOKS

Dare to Think for Yourself: A Journey from Faith to Reason
Born in the Bible Belt of the American South, Betty Brogaard, had questions regarding God and the Bible. Primarily because of growing doubts about the organization’s teachings, she eventually left amidst threats of eternal judgment and punishment.